systemD is coming to a port near you!

Jose I guess what I want to say is: DON'T GET THE FUCK IN MY WAY with your STUPID DSL. Your DSL (talking to "systemd" here) is, well, "domain specific". That means anything the designer of that DSL didn't have in mind, WON'T WORK. (Let alone having to learn yet another language, which is a PITA in itself)

Yep, I assumed setting permissions on a dir, so a daemon can store its pidfile there, is something that was considered. I'm pretty sure some other edge cases weren't. There are countless! :rolleyes:

Bourne shell, OTOH, is a general-purpose (turing-complete) programming language. Writing init-scripts in bourne shell has its challenges. But given an awesome framework like mewburn rc (which IIRC was developed for NetBSD, but is used in FreeBSD) makes it a piece of cake. Of course, assuming you know shell scripting. But hey, who doesn't?
 
bobo@foo:~ $ sudo pkg delete pulseaudio
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Deinstallation has been requested for the following 3 packages (of 0 packages in the universe):

Installed packages to be REMOVED:
alsa-plugins: 1.2.2_1
alsa-utils: 1.2.2
pulseaudio: 14.2

Number of packages to be removed: 3

The operation will free 9 MiB.

Proceed with deinstalling packages? [y/N]:


I'm an alsa user, whatever Pottering is selling I don't want it: pulseaudio, systemd, whatever...
 
Jose said:
C'mon now, DSLs are the future! Why are you stuck in the past?
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I know this is more sarcasm ?, still I'll give a serious reply:

I'm not against DSLs in general. If your domain is well-understood and complete, they make sense. I just doubt "system startup" is such a domain with clear-cut boundaries. IMHO, you need a general-purpose language for that.

And again, a good framework can offer most of the advantages of a DSL, without imposing restrictions.
 
Yes, that was sarcasm. I love to dig up fossilized hype from bygone days. Back in 2005 Ruby on Rails was the answer to every question. Its build tool, Rake, was a wonder of this new DSL programming approach. It was the future, you know. I wonder how many people are still struggling to migrate away from flaky and slow monolithic Rails apps that are killing their business.

One of the ironies of Systemd is how late it is to the party. They're trying to dominate the desktop in a time when the desktop doesn't matter. They're even resurrecting the hype from the good old days of the desktop.
 
Jose said:
One of the ironies of Systemd is how late it is to the party. They're trying to dominate the desktop in a time when the desktop doesn't matter. They're even resurrecting the hype from the good old days of the desktop.
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Hm yeah, that's a way to look at it ;). I'm still a user of a "classic" desktop, and I know one area where they're still very relevant: offices. Not only, but also for software developers. OTOH, almost any office will use Windows as their Desktop OS, so, still pointless. The "killer app" is MS Excel. :rolleyes:
 
cynwulf said:
This is the original: https://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html?view=mosaic&m=1

Avoids having to visit that agenda driven, activist site.
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Looking for a problem with
sysdfree.wordpress.com

systemd-free linux community

we follow the development of linux away from systemd
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And I really can't find one. No problems here
sysdfree.wordpress.com

About sysDfree

This is just a short excerpt for the about page.
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Or here
sysdfree.wordpress.com

We are a systemd free linux community

This is the post excerpt.
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So I really don't see the problem with
sysdfree.wordpress.com

Systemd: The Biggest Fallacies by Jude C. Nelson

We are reproducing here a very good article we found on without-systemd.org which is on the dreaded blogspot. It took allowing three different sites to flash scripts so the simple text html docume…
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But don't let me get in your way if you really would rather support Google and a platform that's hostile to its content creators.
 
I don't support the platform - you'd need to take that up with the blog author - they chose it. It happens to be the original source. He's an agreeable enough type and might consider moving it, if you could point to alternatives?

Regarding the activist site - do some more reading if you have any desire to investigate further. I won't comment on that.
 
ayleid96 said:
I would not worry about it, systemd will never happen in BSD world. BSD doesn't have any need for it.

EDIT:
Reminder that systemd has over 1.2 million lines of code, BSD world could develop something with drastically less code to suit its use.
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if needed I think BSDs don't need to develop anything runit with at most 1000 lines of code exists! (with bsd license :‌D)
 
InitKit is the standard Unix init system. It is designed for flexibility in accordance with a special operationalisation of the principles of the Unix Way.
 
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