Freebsd has more up to date packages than Ubuntu

does not have tearing (when watching video)
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thats good point that doesnt get mentioned often

i have been using Wayland with dwl wlroots on Freebsd for just over 1 year
on both a Dell XPS 15 2019 and Macbook Air 2011
 
This is effectively a "why can't FreeBSD be more like..." thread. By stating the thread's subject, you are inviting the opposite line of argumentation. It's also a flawed comparison between FreeBSD and a particular Linux distro.

There will be Linux distros with newer versions of packages than their equivalents in FreeBSD ports and those with packages absent from the ports tree. Newer isn't always better. There is both newer software that fixes bugs and that which introduces new ones.

Many Linux distributions have a practice of backporting specific security patches from newer versions to older versions. This, in theory, can work well enough except where the backporter fails to understand the patch they are adapting and applying to an older version, resulting in a new (possibly worse) bug. This has occurred with respect to the Debian project for example.
 
I installed Ubuntu 24.10 on my Macbook Pro Retina

copied some of my dotfiles like weechat across from Freebsd
and was surprised they didnt work because they were for a newer version

it wasnt intended as "why can't FreeBSD be more like..." thread.

maybe its more to do with the marketing message that Linux/Ubuntu is new and shiny
and has all the latest packages

it was just a surprise to Freebsd 14.2 quarterly branch had more up to date software than Ubuntu 24.10
 
Ogis said:
Yes.
He does not need root rights. He does not have tearing (when watching video) and so on.
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None of my X11 processes are running as root, yet I CAN execute GUI code as root when I so desire...as is my God given right

Screen tearing is most often a video driver timing problem. Too infer that a video compositor will make that possibility go away is...naive at best.
 
cracauer@, What I found, for one AMD laptop, is, that when connecting said laptop to TV, watching videos was painful in X. However, when I switched to Wayland, the videos were smooth again. This is the case for both Fedora Linux and FreeBSD. On the other hand, if just using the laptop's display, I saw no difference. So, while this is anecdotal, it's my experience that in this case, Wayland has an advantage. That being said, in day to day use, I use X, save for a test VM running RHEL10 beta, which only uses Wayland.
 
NapoleonWils0n said:
thats good point that doesnt get mentioned often

i have been using Wayland with dwl wlroots on Freebsd for just over 1 year
on both a Dell XPS 15 2019 and Macbook Air 2011
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Your posts were what inspired me to move to Wayland, albeit with labwc as I'm not into tiling. I have to say that it works beautifully on 14.2 latest, same if not better than X11.
 
fmc000 said:
Your posts were what inspired me to move to Wayland, albeit with labwc as I'm not into tiling. I have to say that it works beautifully on 14.2 latest, same if not better than X11.
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good stuff

i would recommend wlr-which-key
its a head up display for running commands, really useful

Code: 
sudo pkg install wlr-which-key

github.com

freebsd-dotfiles-xps/.config/wlr-which-key/config.yaml at master · NapoleonWils0n/freebsd-dotfiles-xps

freebsd dotfiles dell xps 15 2019. Contribute to NapoleonWils0n/freebsd-dotfiles-xps development by creating an account on GitHub.
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NapoleonWils0n

Thread 'wlr-which-key - keymap manager for wlroots inspired by which-key'

wlr-which-key lets you create global keyboard shortcuts for wlroots based wayland compositors
with a heads up display like which-key on emacs or nvim showing you the keys you can press and the command that will be run


the advantage of wlr-which-key is you only have to remember one keyboard shortcut to run all of your commands
and you can create multiple menus with submenus to execute commands or scripts

wlr-which-key is available as a package or port on freebsd, if it isnt in your distros repo you can build it from source with cargo

wlr-which-key github...
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scottro said:
cracauer@, What I found, for one AMD laptop, is, that when connecting said laptop to TV, watching videos was painful in X. However, when I switched to Wayland, the videos were smooth again. This is the case for both Fedora Linux and FreeBSD. On the other hand, if just using the laptop's display, I saw no difference. So, while this is anecdotal, it's my experience that in this case, Wayland has an advantage. That being said, in day to day use, I use X, save for a test VM running RHEL10 beta, which only uses Wayland.
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If you still have the setup, the output of `xvinfo` would be helpful.

When you used the TV, did you do dual-display with the internal display or just the TV alone.
 
cracauer@ here it is. I don't have the knowledge to get much information from it.
Code: 
X-Video Extension version 2.2
screen #0  
Adaptor #0: "GLAMOR Textured Video"    
number of ports: 16 
   port base: 237 
   operations supported: PutImage   
 supported visuals:   
   depth 24, visualID 0x21    
number of attributes: 5      
"XV_BRIGHTNESS" (range -1000 to 1000)            
  client settable attribute              
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)      "XV_CONTRAST" (range -1000 to 1000)              client settable attribute              client gettable attribute (current value is 0)   
   "XV_SATURATION" (range -1000 to 1000)    
          client settable attribute              
client gettable attribute (current value is 0) 
     "XV_HUE" (range -1000 to 1000)              client settable attribute      
        client gettable attribute (current value is 0)     
 "XV_COLORSPACE" (range 0 to 1)       
       client settable attribute       
       client gettable attribute (current value is 0) 
   maximum XvImage size: 8192 x 8192    
Number of image formats: 3     
 id: 0x32315659 (YV12)   
     guid: 59563132-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71       
 bits per pixel: 12        number of planes: 3      
  type: YUV (planar)      id: 0x30323449 (I420)      
  guid: 49343230-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71     
   bits per pixel: 12      
  number of planes: 3        
type: YUV (planar)    
id: 0x30323449 (I420)   
     guid: 49343230-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71    
    bits per pixel: 12   
     number of planes: 3   
     type: YUV (planar)
  id: 0x31564e (NV12)     
   guid: 4e563132-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 
       bits per pixel: 12
        number of planes: 2     
   type: YUV (planar)
It didn't paste properly, so it's not indented as the actual output did,but I think I got all line breaks correct.
 
Debian & Ubuntu are a PITA for updates but Ubuntu is worse. Both take a very long time to update the Golang package when minor version updates contain mostly fixes to CVE's, so I download Go from upstream. The zfs-kmod package in Ubuntu also sucks, and for that I'm using the ppa:arter97/zfs PPA to get the latest ZFS version. It's something you ought to do with Ubuntu 24.10 because the 6.11 kernel is not officially supported by the shipped ZFS 2.2.6 version.

Ubuntu is also worse because you need to sign up to Ubuntu Pro to get timely security updates for the universe repo on LTS versions, free for up to 5 machines.

Ubuntu Expanded Security Maintenance | Security | Ubuntu

Expanded Security Maintenance provides ongoing security fixes for Ubuntu, the Linux kernel and packages in Ubuntu repositories packages beyond the five-year basic maintenance window.
ubuntu.com ubuntu.com
 
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