I really don't see why. FreeBSD supports Wayland perfectly right now. Even bhyve can run VMs under Wayland natively, even without XWayland (something that Virtualbox cannot do, even under Linux).
Sure, but the same discussion stands for Qt as Gtk.
It was more an example that those tiny communities (i.e People using Gtk on macOS) were still enough to get Gtk supported. Which means that the open-source ecosystem will have no problem keeping X11/Gtk supported. A lot of engineering hours were not put into Win32 or macOS support for Gtk. If you look through the repo, it is generally only one or two guys.
If a single person could do it, then a community of a few dozen or so will manage no problem. And thats what BSD likely has. Plus chuck in the Solaris and AIX guys in there and you basically have nothing to worry about.
Indeed. I am hoping once Linux has gone away, Xorg can finally get cleaned up again.
GNOME 48 Wayland (openSUSE Tumbleweed) may finally fix this
SDL_VIDEO_DRIVER=wayland! (no direct chat/Console typing; can copy/paste text; probably some SDL3/Wayland thing but FPS is fine and no xwayland).I'm not sure how it is on FreeBSD, but generally speaking I'm not confident in general desktop usage on Wayland unless it's on GNOME (I'm finally seeing good results after 8+ years
), and FreeBSD's GNOME looks to be 42. But there's also Wacom tablets I don't expect to plug-and-play work from non-GNOME/KDE with libinput stuff and finger/stylus switches.So what?
Not sure about the original person, but loosely:
I don't get the rush for a worse solution, and don't quite get why X11 couldn't be still continued (why re-invent the wheel and then ship a square?)Quartz support is in Gtk 2 and 3 and has never been the focus by Gnome, RedHat, etc. Basically if the Quartz community can do it, so can the much larger X11 community when the time comes (if the time ever comes).
They definitely will if needed. This has been proven via their regular replacements to Linux-only ALSA support and patches to Chromium as mentioned prior in the thread.
For AIX, yes but for Solaris, strangely no. It has decent NVIDIA upstream support and has traditionally been involved in CAD, etc. Alan Coopersmith was also on the X.Org board for a time.
I see it differently. X11 development was mainly backed by Red Hat in the past few years. They decided that the security issues that X11 has are not fixable -> they don't want to invest any more money in it. It's simple as that (I'm not a software develper but I read that in X11 you can write a keylogger in python with as little as less than o dozen lines of code. Is it acceptable in 2025?)
The keylogger argument is an old one. Effectively it has been proven not to work because the program doesn't have access to the MIT_MAGIC_COOKIE so cannot connect to an existing X11 server.
They do. The Xorg project is better maintained than 90% of Wayland compositors. The Xorg backend alone has had hundreds of commits this year already from at least 8 different committers (Including Alan Coopersmith from Oracle); that is more developers than most Wayland compositor projects.
Good. So where is the problem then? Why do people care about what the "Wayland community" has to say? Red Hat does not want to maintain Xorg anymore, someone else is doing, it's all good. What am I missing?
I don't think anything is missing. No-one can predict the future but it is always interesting to discuss potential directions with other techies and getting all sides of the story rather than just Red Hat (and reddits) narrative.
True, but that is not just Linux and FreeBSD. There is also (Open-) VMS, which for many years used its own graphics/windowing systems (VWS). There is the NeXT with its postscript-based graphics system. And then there is the Mac, which first used a modified flavor of X, and then switched to a non-X graphics layer.
While VWS and Display-Postscript were alive, there were web browsers for them. And today, most of the big web browsers are available for Windows and Mac, without using X. Other graphics-intensive applications are available for things other than X also. For example: I use KiCaD for schematic capture and PC board layout, and it works great on my Mac.
Can go with Sun's approach of *everything*. Xnews at a time in its life supported:
That's interesting. Did you have a name for Apple's X flavor? I sense an archeological deep dive is waiting for me here....
That would be interesting whether the FreeBSD OS developer team would write its own X or wayland alternative.
That is the initial way to use FreeBSD I think. Pkg support was only provided since FreeBSD version 7, I think.If FreeBSD drop Xorg I'll install it from sources my self!
Recently the fund had a lot of money to improve laptop support. How much money is needed to write API-Wayland? I think that without money nothing like that will happen.
XQuartz
No, I don't think that is it. That is just an Xserver for recent macOS. That used to come on the Mac OS X DVD (as X11.app) until 10.7.
