Derailing a thread with misinformation

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Alain De Vos said:
They run fine on Windows & Linux.
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I read a little of the forum for 2018-2022. --->>> Many people, one way or another, often have an old HDD under their desk with Windows loaded onto it. Such "canned food" saves when something is pressing. I have such "canned food" lying around, but I use it only for "compatibility" with government offices. Believe me, it's completely unrealistic to fight and prove anything to government agencies (tax, statistics service, pension fund, etc.). They only need the format of my request in MS Word, Excel. And this is just the beginning... I often earn extra money as a tutor. Even according to the school curriculum, I can't teach a schoolboy/girl the basics of Python without thonny-py311. Children must show the teacher a screenshot only from thonny. Anything else and deviation from the "program" approved by the Department of Education is heresy. It's not like this everywhere, but that's what I see.
I will never be able to process an Excel or Word file (received from the tax office) in LibreCalc/Writе because their files are simply too complex in structure. Libre will not be able to tame them. It is cheaper for me to get HDD with Windows from a dusty corner, fill in their super-table and get rid of them in 20 minutes. That's it. HDD kicked under the table, let it lie there. :)
Besides, I saw that system and network administrators of a large Internet provider also use Windows.
But this is not what the girl dreamed about on dark nights! Here is a link where the power of Windows is perfectly shown. :)
https://www.cybercom.mil/Media/Images/igphoto/2002047606/
https://www.cybercom.mil/Media/Images/igphoto/2003055634/
https://www.cybercom.mil/Media/Images/igphoto/2003048668/
https://www.cybercom.mil/Media/Images/igphoto/2002838940/
Can anyone tell me what kind of hardware stand they have? I give it a like. :) Thanks.
https://www.cybercom.mil/Media/Images/igphoto/2003428056/
 
I don't want to spam, but I've had enough. I need to speak out. Photo "2003048668" (see link above). They're on Zoom! Even in Ukraine, Zoom is banned in government agencies! I myself received a letter from the special services when I worked as an admin, which stated that Zoom is not allowed in government agencies, including hospitals!)! Okay. I've finished my indignation. Sorry for the emotions. But this is just nonsense!
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I don't understand. Zoom is an American company. And the Zoom program can be freely used in American cyber services. Am I right?
In our country, Zoom is used mainly by schools and educational institutions.
So, they have everything on the Windows infrastructure? I read a long time ago that they use Content Delivery Network or Content Distribution Network, CDN) from some very famous American corporation somewhere in Boston or something like that. But I don't remember exactly: from Amazon, Microsoft or someone else...
And by the way, the employees work under the "admin" account (photo 2002047606). C:\Users\Public... They didn't even delete the music and movie directories by default...
 
USerID said:
So, they have everything on the Windows infrastructure?
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You're jumping to conclusions based on partial information.

USerID said:
And by the way, the employees work under the "admin" account (photo 2002047606).
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Did you ever consider those pictures may have been staged? You know, the public relations kind of pictures. Did you really think they would show exactly what they're using with actual (probably secret) information?
USerID said:
They didn't even delete the music and movie directories by default...
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Hey, IT, I need a computer to look cool for a photo op. Sure, here's a blank PC with a bog standard Windows install you can use.
 
Oh, I remembered! Akamai Technologies, Inc. is with them.
Pinging a localhost to the public is completely beyond my comprehension.
OpenBSD with their triple-checked repositories and packages... no, we haven't heard of it.
Give us a leaky Zoom... it's leaky, they constantly patch it. There's a lot of information in the public domain.
https://www.tomanthony.co.uk/blog/zoom-security-exploit-crack-private-meeting-passwords/
https://project-zero.issues.chromium.org/issues/42451378

And what exactly is "misinformation"? Everything is from open sources, I expressed my subjective opinion. If the pictures, as you say, are PR, then they prepared for the photo shoot like that. That is, they prepared strangely, in my opinion.
It is obvious that in many of their staff rooms they only have Windows, so their basic infrastructure for the operator is on Windows (and on laptops too). One operator only has Gnome (I could be wrong, I didn't check it exactly, poor quality).
 
USerID said:
they constantly patch it
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Sure, like every other respectable company ought to do.
USerID said:
And what exactly is "misinformation"?
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Unknowingly spreading false information. You assumed the information is correct and propagated it. That's different from disinformation, when you knowingly spread false information.

USerID said:
Everything is from open sources, I expressed my subjective opinion.
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As you said, it's subjective, and is the opposite of objective.

USerID said:
If the pictures, as you say, are PR, then they prepared for the photo shoot like that.
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Those pictures are clearly PR and always prepared. Think about it for more than 2 seconds, would the DoD allow anyone with a camera to roam freely on their premises? Taking pictures of rooms filled with screens showing sensitive or potentially top secret information? Of course they don't.
USerID said:
It is obvious that in many of their staff rooms they only have Windows
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You haven't seen all their staff rooms, there's this thing called survivorship bias. But besides that, walk into any company or organization and you'll see the majority (if not all) of their desktops are running Windows. That's still the undisputed king of desktop operating systems. Why would a government run organization be any different?

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Additionally, the US government (and specifically its military branches) have certain certifications it requires before an operating system can be used in various scenarios. The run-of-the-mill Linux or BSD doesn't have those certifications, and therefor cannot be used in certain situations.
 
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SirDice said:
Why would a government run organization be any different?
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Yeah, I get it, OK. I agree - they're all from the same corporate incubator. Just different chevrons.
SirDice said:
The run-of-the-mill Linux or BSD doesn't have those certifications, and therefor cannot be used in certain situations.
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Those. The concept of a desktop on Unix has failed. Sadness. If they (cyber-specialists) do not use Unix desktop, does it mean that the developments and popularization of Unix as a desktop over many years have failed? Or is it the Microsoft lobby? You understand, it is a shame... It is one thing when a cyber-security officer sits at the keyboard, and another thing when a newspaper and magazine layout designer sits at the keyboard.

So your paradigm is based on the fact that if I was not in all of their rooms (and I was not in any of them), then there is no subject of conversation either? But there is my subjective opinion, which is based on the official material of this organization and my subjective opinion has the character of brutal lies, ignorance, deceit and delusion? And to some extent, a conspiracy tint with elements of cognitive disorders is also possible. And what we see in the pictures is just a PR move, a theatrical production. Even if this is so (and maybe not, we were not really there), it turned out very lousy (again, my personal subjective opinion).
 
The required DoD certifications costs money, lots of it. And you need to reapply for every new version you release. Microsoft certainly always applies for them. Certain commercial UNIX versions also do. It gets them access to very lucrative contracts. The run-of-the-mill Linux distribution and all the BSDs simply don't apply because its too costly to do so and they won't be able to make any money from it.

USerID said:
So your paradigm is based on the fact that if I was not in all of their rooms (and I was not in any of them), then there is no subject of conversation either?
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No, I'm saying you're basing your opinion on incomplete information, what you're seeing in those public pictures is only a selection of what they have and use. Most of their software, computer systems, and other hardware you will never see or be aware of. You fell for a selection bias (and probably a bit of confirmation bias too).

USerID said:
And what we see in the pictures is just a PR move, a theatrical production.
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It is. Doesn't exclude the existence of an actual operational cyber-security operations room though.
USerID said:
Even if this is so (and maybe not, we were not really there), it turned out very lousy (again, my personal subjective opinion).
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What were you expecting to see? You understand that actual "hacking" and "cyber-security" work is excruciatingly boring? Certainly not cinematic, which is why it's often portrayed in movies using all sorts of weird and wonderful flashing screens, source code scrolling by, 3D renderings of "firewalls" being breached, etc. Nothing of that has any resemblance to actual facts.
 
What about swarms of drones? Real or fake? The new UFO reports?

They were seen around Hampton Virginia, where F-22 is based on East Coast, with not much local press coverage at all.

Military acts unconcerned... Maybe it is them? Dis-information or foreign mothership offshore?

People have eyes and see things..
www.newsweek.com

Map details mystery drone sightings across US

Mysterious drones have been spotted in New Jersey and neighboring states, and Newsweek has mapped where they've appeared the most.
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May I point out that Microsoft is a US-based company? So by extension, it's probably not safe to use even that?

May I point out that Linux, while Finnish in origin, is developed primarily in the United States (The kernel is, at least) ?

May I point out that BSD's are all-American? (OpenBSD is Canadian, but that's close enough)

May I point out that DoD is a US institution?

Exactly what would be an approved, and functional alternative?

I do hate it when global politics get this ridiculous, especially when we're all using something that Uncle Sam's mighty army developed, and Al Gore paid for that development to even happen.
 
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